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Al Gore's endorsement of Howard Dean has brought out a large amount of wailing from Democrats who support other candidates (scroll down a few pages in those comments to see the start of it), on the grounds that Dean is unelectable. Despite the fact that no primaries have even happened yet, they're announcing that it's all over, Dean is the nominee, Bush has already won, there will be an embarrassing landslide and Democrats will lose many other elections, and... what precisely happens next is unclear, but this is where the speaker entertains the traditional Running Off To Canada fantasy, or just says some vague and scary thing like "we are screwed". Presumably we all end up in death camps or there's a global thermonuclear war or something.

(I find this kind of talk dangerously seductive because I'm pretty prone to apocalyptic thinking myself. I have this reputation as a level-headed guy mostly because I air out loud my efforts to talk myself out of exaggerated thoughts of doom; every so often the underlying catastrophizing tendency comes out a little and unnerves people. This is no reflection on the current situation but has happened all my life. I was convinced that Skylab was going to fall on me once.)



Anyway, at times like this it's good to step back and try to see if any of this is justified by evidence. First, the electability argument. There's a plausible notion, one that may well be true and that I've subscribed to at times myself, that on the basis of history and personality, Wesley Clark has a much better chance than Dean of surviving whatever smear jobs Karl Rove is going to toss in his direction. Particularly since the Republicans obviously don't want to run against him, and have already pretty much tipped their hand on anti-Clark strategy (mostly, the "Clark is insane" gambit) in order to defeat him in the primary; while the much nastier stuff you know they're going to toss at Dean is only just starting to emerge.

But based on that kind of biography/image reasoning, Al Gore really ought to be the president. (Here's where somebody always makes a crack about how he is the president. But he ought to have done well enough that the issue wouldn't have come up.) The way you campaign matters. Al Gore ran a weak campaign in 2000; even he says so. And I really haven't seen much evidence that Clark's campaign can do much better than that; it's just starting to come together now, and that's pretty late. Dean's, on the other hand, has the energy and aggressiveness of a barrel full of rabid badgers, and a tremendous supply of money and volunteers. That ought to count for something.

If you look at the polls... yes, Wesley Clark often does better than Dean in a hypothetical match-up against Bush. He does better by, usually, something like one or two percentage points, and all the other major Democrats are in the same ballpark. (Generic Democrat usually does better, sometimes actually beating Bush, but, then, Generic Challenger always does better than specific challengers in this kind of poll.) Neither Dean nor Clark does all that great (they both typically lose), and while the margin varies a lot from poll to poll, neither one of them gets creamed in a ridiculous Mondale/Reagan landslide either (contrary to my own guesses back in the spring). It's pretty close.

Now, granted, those are national polls and the popular vote isn't what counts, and you can make a good anecdotal case that Clark's advantage would be larger on the electoral map. But I think it's fair to say that there isn't a gigantic difference in their "if the election were held today" performance. Either one is going to need to gain some ground in order to win. And in that case, on the one hand you have military aura, some intellectual gravitas, really smart talk about foreign policy, and President Hair; and on the other you have relatively vast wads of money, a campaign manager who is turning out to be one of the great geniuses of the profession, a laudable tendency to use "you" statements instead of "I" statements, and the barrel of rabid badgers. It looks like a wash from where I'm standing. Bush's drop in popularity seems to have genuinely stabilized right now; there's not much evidence that he's going to get much more popular again, but if he does, it's doubtful that any Democrat can beat him.



But there's something else. Some people have been worrying that Dean's imagined landslide defeat would take other Democrats down. But I don't see the mechanism there. If anything, because of the level of enthusiasm for him, Dean's the most likely to get core Democratic Party voters out to the polls, which should give him coattails even if he loses. Crossover appeal wouldn't have that effect.

What Democrats are really up against today is a smoothly-running political machine nearly devoid of checks and balances, and encompassing the executive branch, Congressional Republicans, and arguably, about five out of nine Supreme Court justices. In Congress it's actually not terribly ideological; the Republicans are kept in line mostly through the incentive of unbelievable amounts of pork-barrel spending. I personally see the Congressional machine as more dangerous over the long term than a Republican presidency; it's a machine set up during the Clinton years for passing dumb laws, and now it's got no veto stopping it. You can argue that Democrats have helped pass lots of these dumb laws, and you'd be right, but I think a certain amount of wising up is happening. And the Dean campaign's explicit intention to try to help candidates in other races is an incredibly welcome development, something that increased my respect for them a notch or two.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say here is that, while it may look this way, the 2004 presidential election is not the one and only up-or-down vote for the future of America. It could put a brake on Congressional stupidity, but if the well-disciplined machine in Congress stays in place it's just a temporary and partial solution. For Democrats there has to be a push forward on all fronts, and the strategies used over the past couple of decades have obviously not provided that, for all their effectiveness in winning the presidency a couple of times. I'm not sure Howard Dean is the strongest candidate as a person; I think he's OK on policy, though I have some reservations, as I do with everybody; but in his organization I see the one thing that could be a new and stronger party core, and that I find exciting. It would almost be a shame just to see that pushed aside, even if it does result in a marginally more electable candidate.




I tend to come back to the thought that, given the situation at this point, whoever manages to win the primary campaign is probably the strategically best candidate to put up against Bush, and to insist otherwise is probably over-thinking it. And I also think that if you want to affect the national discourse, screaming about how you're doomed to lose and therefore living in the end times is not really the way, however satisfying it may be.

Sometimes when I speak out against catastrophic thinking, in myself and others, people accuse me of breeding complacency. That's not what I'm trying to do. Complacency is one thing that keeps people from trying to change things, but despair is another, equally dangerous.

Date: 2003-12-09 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkphonics.livejournal.com
Love the final line of your editorial, Matt. In fact, I pretty much love the final lines of most things you write. You are a Grade A closer. Perhaps I will hire you as my personal anecdote completer. As you well know, most of my stories have great build-up, then...nothing. You can add a snazzy little line and WHAMMO! we'll be the best anecdoting team this country's ever seen!

Date: 2003-12-09 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chicken-cem.livejournal.com
And the Dean campaign's explicit intention to try to help candidates in other races is an incredibly welcome development, something that increased my respect for them a notch or two.

This is the hope I take away from reading your article. Very well written, all of it. I like Dean for the same reasons you do, and hope this all pans out well.

What have you to say against those naysayers who point out that no Democrat from the North has won since ... what was it, Kennedy? That only Democrats from the South get Southerners votes, etc. That whole red state/blue state argument ... because people give me that argument a lot, and the history of the last few decades seems to support them. What can I say?

Date: 2003-12-09 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbeatle.livejournal.com

What have you to say against those naysayers who point out that no Democrat from the North has won since ... what was it, Kennedy? That only Democrats from the South get Southerners votes, etc. That whole red state/blue state argument ... because people give me that argument a lot, and the history of the last few decades seems to support them. What can I say?


you can tell them that recent examples only appear to support the whole Southern Strategy concept; in reality, southern conservative democrats are a dying breed, much like moderate republicans.

there are basically two reasons for this. one, the far right branch of the republican party has been working diligently on wooing conservative democrats into the GOP using the "play the race card locally, preach tolerance nationally" strategy. two, the recent wave of redistricting fiascos have eliminated the congressional seats of conservative democrats. the New Yorker had a good article on the latter strategy, still visible in Google's cache

I like Matt's essay a lot, but I'm more doom-and-gloom. I think the far right has basically taken over and there's no use worrying about it anymore. get ready for a return to the McKinnley years, because they've publicly announced that as what they want.

Date: 2003-12-09 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chicken-cem.livejournal.com
What is the answer to all these depressing facts? Is the problem that more liberals just don't get off their butts and vote? Whereas conservative groups have done everything to get their parishioners and believers to go vote?

Date: 2003-12-10 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
That's a part of it, but also Republicans in various states and in Congress have been pretty ruthless about stacking procedures to lock Democrats out entirely-- things like districting, debate and voting procedures in Congress, the control of election procedures and contracting aspects of them out to Republican-sympathetic private companies, etc. In the case of districting, Democrats have often been complicit since the creation of safe districts tends to favor incumbents regardless of party. But that also freezes the existing party breakdown in place.

These things are hard to talk about because they're wonky process fights. Some of it came to the fore in fall 2000, but Gore didn't really acquit himself in a manner to gain sympathy across the aisle, and much of the legal battle was over things that were kind of peripheral, such as recounts of votes that had irremediable problems in the first place. But eventually somebody is going to have the bright idea to lean on these issues as simple matters of fairness-- not about whether the 2000 election was on the level, but about how we go forward.

The authority of a nominally democratic government depends in part on the popular perception of legitimacy. People who write columns in the National Review might like to cackle about this stuff like Batman villains, but I believe that the vast majority of American conservatives are decent people who don't like the idea of imposing their will on the rest of the country through trickery.

Date: 2003-12-09 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
I don't have much to say to that, since it might well be a true assessment. I might echo [livejournal.com profile] urbeatle's skepticism that enough Southern votes are really available to be gotten by anyone else.

This is not to say that these states are necessarily one-party places forever. There's something of a modest centrist-Democratic resurgence happening in state politics in Virginia, just because of the aftereffects of Jim Gilmore (a Republican governor who was elected more or less entirely on the basis of an unfulfillable pledge to repeal the car tax, and didn't do so hot). I doubt that Virginia is in play in the presidential election, though.

I have a crazy idea that, as Republicans keep running the whole government and spending it into the ground while pandering to the cultural-authoritarian base, eventually libertarian-minded people in the intermountain West are going to find common cause with liberals. But it isn't going to happen any time soon; the idea that the Democrats are the big-government spending party has a tenacious hold on the imagination. Maybe 2012. Nevada and Arizona might be in play sooner than that. I have seen a few extreme Libertarian Party types toying with voting for Dean; his stance on guns might have removed the main deal-breaker.

I am by no means convinced that Dean can actually win, and to say that I like him is something of an exaggeration; I just don't think that his nomination would be that huge a disaster compared to the nomination of somebody else, and I think it might even be the best thing for the longer term.
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Date: 2003-12-09 06:18 pm (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (quiet)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
I think Dean is unelectable because he's slick like Clinton but has Gore's charisma. Not a very impressive combination.

I also think that Clark pissed away the early momentum he had after declaring his candidacy. If he'd run with it, he'd be the clear frontrunner right now. Instead, all people know about him now is his stupid "faster than light" comment.
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Date: 2003-12-09 07:21 pm (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (quiet)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
I used to think so, too. But how exactly is a national candidate going to capture the nation's votes without charisma? Educating people on the issues is not going to work; there isn't enough time in the candidate's life to do that.

Date: 2003-12-09 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
I think Nader's going to run either way. His ego makes him do it. He's said he won't run if Kucinich gets nominated.

But if Dean is nominated, it's unlikely that Nader will get anything like the votes he got in 2000, particularly in swing states. The "no difference between the parties" line doesn't play well these days, even though Dean is not really any more of an extremist than Gore.
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Date: 2003-12-10 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
The difference is that Dean was against the invasion of Iraq, whereas Kucinich was against the invasion of Iraq and wants an immediate and total pullout. Of course Dean may be singing a different tune next year if things keep getting more and more awful over there, but I've already seen him denounced by some antiwar people for not advocating a pullout.

(Personally, I have no idea what, if anything, has to be done over there now. I have lost any remaining shred of faith that Bush's people ever knew what they were doing.)

Date: 2003-12-10 04:47 am (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (excitable)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
I sang that line in 2000. I often also say, "I'd love to be proven wrong." In this case, i'm not loving it. I wouldn't change my Nader vote, though.

Date: 2003-12-12 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
By the way, one thing I said in the above essay-- that Bush's drop in popularity has stabilized-- may still be inaccurate. His job approval ratings have all been almost flat at 50-something percent for a couple of months, but his job disapproval ratings are still measurably rising; the people in the "not sure" category are mostly going negative, and dissatisfaction on various specific issues is rising. It's nothing that would make winning easy for an opponent, but it points to opportunities.

The latest polls also bear out that there's no basis for calling any of the top four or so Democrats particularly unelectable. (There are wild differences between polls in the Bush-versus-Democrat elect numbers, larger than the sample-size-based "margin of error", but they seem to be systematics; within each poll you can compare apples to apples with some consistency.) The major basis for the belief in Dean'scomparative unelectability at this point seems to be smack talk from Republicans about how giddy they are at the prospect of a Dean nomination and the 49-state landslide they'll get. They're probably at least partly sincere, but it sounds like warmed-over wartime rhetoric from April; I don't see the reason to believe that they know things the polls don't, unless they broke into Dean's sealed files and discovered he eats kittens or something.

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