Oct. 2nd, 2003

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The always engaging David Appell takes issue with some hopeful statements by Wesley Clark about faster-than-light travel. I tend to take a dim view of the possibility of faster-than-light travel based on everything I know about physics, and Appell is almost completely right. But a few points need clarification.

Clark is confused. Well, OK: he's wrong. In fact, one can't believe in both E=mc2 and the possibility of faster of light travel, because one of the assumptions behind Einstein's derivation of E=mc2 is that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light ("c").

Well, as a hair-splitting objection, I suppose one could believe in the formula E=mc2 but not in Einstein's derivation of it, though this would be odd, since the whole theory Einstein developed is spectacularly well-supported.

But beyond that, what Einstein actually assumed was not that the speed of light is an absolute limit, but that the speed of light is invariant in all inertial frames, which furthermore exhibit the same physics in every other way. From that, the speed-of-light barrier is a derived consequence, and so is the rest-energy associated with a given mass.

That said, science-fiction writers who know their physics know a million handwaving ways around it. For instance, in general relativity, it's not completely ruled out that there's some way to make wormhole shortcuts that could take you across faster-than-light intervals in space-time without requiring you to go faster than light in Einstein's sense. Such a possibility would raise all sorts of disturbing problems with causality that make theorists yell at each other (since they could be used to make a "closed timelike loop" that would allow backwards time travel), but its impossibility is not a given.

Or... it's possible (though I personally doubt it) that there are some currently unknown, exotic, super-weak interactions that actually violate relativity and have a preferred reference frame, across which influences might travel faster than light without violating causality, in which case Einstein's theory is just a very good approximation applying to the matter and interactions we know. When you get down to it, what Einstein proposed was a universal symmetry of nature, that of Lorentz invariance. Apparently universal symmetries have fallen to experiment before.

But that's not to say that any of these are terribly likely as physics or promising as a technical possibility. They're more in the nature of science-fiction-plot-device physics, wherein you start with the consequence you want and reason backward to some semi-plausible extension of known science that gets you there. Real scientists don't reason this way, but science-fiction writers often do (the really hard-headed ones, at least), and when handled well, made-up physics can be a pleasure to read.

I don't think that it's worth spending much, or anything even, to develop technologies on spec based on evidentially unsupported violations of known physics; that Breakthrough Propulsion Physics project at NASA that spent thousands on developing ill-supported antigravity concepts was a real embarrassment. On the other hand, looking for subtle violations in a systematic manner might be an interesting thing to do. Fortunately all Clark was advocating was "higher and applied mathematics", something I'm all in favor of since it pays off in lots of ways, whether or not you end up using it to build a star drive.

I haven't jumped on the Wesley Clark bandwagon-- I think he's one of a few pretty good candidates for president-- but lately there's been an annoying effort (of which Appell's post was not a part!) to portray him as a Ross Perot-grade loony, and this remark of his is no doubt going to be used for that purpose. Personally I suspect that it's the admittedly nonrational daydream of a fairly knowledgeable science-fiction fan, but I wouldn't hold that against anybody.

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One of the most important determinants of the social atmosphere of a discussion forum is a simple matter of sorting order. Web-based bulletin boards are usually threaded to some degree, and the threads are usually sorted by how old their most recent post is. Usenet is similar. Of course, on Usenet, with a good enough newsreader, you can sort threads any way you want. But typically the sorting has nothing to do with how the thread began, since, for one thing, under many circumstances, it's unlikely that a record of the initial post is even on the server any more.

What this means is that discussions can go on for a long time, and stay near the top of the heap, regardless of how much other discussion is going on. Every poster has an equal say in whether a thread lives or dies. So unless there's a moderator with a fairly heavy hand, discussions can go spiraling off into the aether for all eternity.

Weblogs with comment boards are different. There, threads typically hang off of initial posts by a privileged author or small group of authors, and the chronology of those initial posts determines sort order. That way, the original authors set the tone and the agenda; and if they post often enough, they'll prevent discussions from going on forever, simply because people are unlikely to keep posting to threads that aren't on the front page any more, and less likely even to post to ones that are far from the top.

This serves as a limiting mechanism even in the absence of any very active moderation by the blog's owner or owners. There's simply a damping effect on the continuation of any argument, as the associated thread slides off the bottom of the page. Crackpots and flamebaiters do sometimes add comments to the comment threads of really stale blog posts, but nobody pays attention to them (except for some easily irritated bloggers), so they don't rile anyone up.

This only goes so far, though. It depends on the ratio of original posts to comments being high enough. If the blog is so popular, or original posts are so rare, that the ratio becomes extremely small, the moderating influence of reverse chronological sorting by initial post no longer works, and third parties can effectively seize control of the conversation. Then either other filtering or moderation mechanisms must be applied (and may or may not work: see Slashdot), or the forum will become less and less readable and more and more dominated by flamebait over time.

So watch out. If your weblog or LiveJournal gets too popular, then you'll want to keep posting more and more just to compete with the rabble in your comment boards! If you're any good to begin with, then, of course, this will just make them come in larger numbers. It's a vicious cycle that will surely eventually make your fingers fall off.

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According to Kibo, news posts aren't going out from nntp.theworld.com. He says they are going out from news.theworld.com, but when I tried connecting to that with my SSH tunnel, I got the "administratively prohibited" error message that I was getting for everything else before they fixed it.

So I can't currently post to Usenet, unless posting from nntp.theworld.com is working again, which I doubt. And that's why I haven't been posting to Usenet much lately.

Update: Aha, that should be news.std.com. That still works, but it's pretty slow.

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